In the recent past, I reported that the township was going to
start a Trash Task Force to research the need for a one hauler
system (a township monopoly) in West Vincent Township. It has
started. This is the update on how it is being handled.
My speculation is this Township Trash Monopoly will make more
work for the township, maybe hire on a new person for the
billing and grow the Miller Government even bigger. How will the
new person get paid? Either with your new, non-negotiable trash
bill or your taxes. Depending upon how they write the bid
package, like they do for DL Fleck, now D & L Construction
LLC, the township could manipulate who the hauler is.
From the Township Minutes of June 11, 2012:
Trash Taskforce: Ms. Quinn made the motion to appoint Steven
Bazil, Eugene Briggs, Chip Farnham, Penny Furness-Hodgkins,
Peter Gaffer, Bob Kaiser, Ted Otteni, Peter Ouwerkerk, John
Rieder, Harry Saunders, Kate Stanton, Kit Trolier, and Michael
Whitehead to the Trash Taskforce. Mr. Brown seconded the
From the meeting of June 25, 2012, here is the transcript of a
dialog between an applicant for the Trash Task Force and the
Board. Put yourself in Mr Murphy's position. My comments on the
discussion, and the actual video links, are at the bottom of
Here is the transcript from the video of the Township, June 25,
Ken Miller: OK, other comments. You Sir.
Mr. Murphy: I volunteered for the Trash Committee, oh, um group
actually, I was not selected. Um, I hear there were 17, maybe 22
people that volunteered for that committee. Could someone tell
me why I wasn't selected, number one and what the criteria for
that selection was?
Ken Miller: Your name ….is?
Mr. Murphy: Jim Murphy. 12 year resident
Ken Miller: Clare, David?
David Brown: I think they, uh, look over the list and I guess
the people, each one of us, had certain people that we
particularly wanted on and the second
thing..(indeterminably)...I don't exactly....
Mr. Murphy: What's the criteria, the question was the criteria.
You want, you know, what's the criteria?
Clare Quinn: Criteria are people the Supervisors believe will do
a good job, approach it honestly and fairly, apply...
Mr. Murphy: Do you know my profile?
Clare Quinn: I don't know your profile and I...
Mr. Murphy: Ivy League Education
Clare Quinn: Excuse me, Excuse me
Mr. Murphy: 38 years with a multi national pharmaceutical
Clare Quinn: Excuse me, I'm speaking
Mr. Murphy: You know, what's what's my criteria?
Clare Quinn: I think you just proved you weren't suitable for
Mr. Murphy: Oh really?
Gasps from the audience
Clare Quinn: Yeah, I do, because you're talking over me. You're
Mr. Murphy: No, I'm not talking....
Clare Quin: you're not.....
Ken Miller: Hold on.
Mr. Murphy: I asked a question.
Ken Miller: Hold on Mr. Murphy.
Clare Quinn: You're expressing yourself in a contentious way
about something that Supervisors have to do all the time, which
is appoint people from a group of people and we have to use the
best tools at hand and..
Mr. Murphy: What tools are those? That's my question.
Clare Quinn: There, there were many...
Mr. Murphy: I'm an HR director. I use criteria to select people.
Clare Quinn: I don't...
Mr. Murphy: What was the criteria, that's my question.
Clare Quinn: We just explained to you there were many good
people. There wasn't one bad applicant. We had to make a choice
among the applicants. And we did. And we all had different
people who we thought would be good...
Mr. Murphy: You haven't answered the question.
Clare Quinn: To your satisfaction.
Mr. Murphy: Education, experience, knowledge, all the things
that we use in HR to determine who's the best qualified person.
You didn't know my qualifications. How did I get excluded versus
included based on what you're saying?
Clare Quinn: I think I answered it (becomes unclear).
Mr. Murphy: What else..(indeterminable)
Ken Miller: Hold On. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Can I
answer your question?
Mr. Murphy: PLEASE!
Ken Miller: K. My sentiment was, my preference was that
everybody that applied was to be on the committee.
Mr. Murphy: Excellent. That, I would rather, I would, I would go
with that. Alright? If 17 applied, all 17 should be included,
you don't have the criteria to exclude anyone.
Miller: K. I didn't carry the day, Mr. Murphy.
Mr. Murphy: Who did?
Clare Quinn: Wait a minute, but, we did say that everybody who
came to the committee, to volunteer can participate fully on
Mr. Murphy: no
Clare Quinn: they just don't have a vote.
Kenny Carroll: May I say something?
Clare Quinn: Yes, you may.
Miller: Go ahead, Ken.
Kenny Carroll: I've been here a short period of time, my name is
Kenny Carroll, by the way...
Mr. Murphy: Yeah, nice to meet you..
Kenny Carroll: We ought not to be so angry, and we ought to, we
ought to try to approach our questions, our concerns, uh, in a
different way. And, uh, I was here a couple of weeks ago and
thanked the folks for doing a thankless job. Whatever they do,
there's gonna be people who are upset and there are gonna be
people that are happy with what they do. All I would ask you and
everyone else including myself is to be civil.
Mr. Murphy: Point well taken. I'm just searching for
Mr. Murphy: On why the criteria hasn't been specified.
Kenny Carroll: You're doing it in an angry way. It's obvious.
Mr. Murphy: I, I know. I had to, you know (undeterminable) the
town secretary 3 times trying to figure out where my application
was. And I still, you know, unless, I sent an e-mail yesterday
that said “what happened to my application?”, I, you know,
nobody was kind enough to even come back and say, “Jim, you
weren’t qualified, you didn't, you know, you didn't succeed in
your application” otherwise. I mean, that's a courtesy point.
Clare Quinn: I agree with you and I'm sorry that answer but
that is not my doing. That, that should have been done by
our office. You were asked the office to communicate with all
the applicants (sic). We did ask you to do that. (Deep Sigh).
(Chickenman comment: I believe Clare might be talking to the
township secretary pertaining to the previous sentences.)
Miller: Other comments?
In the video, Miller starts to talk about the minutes, Clare
gets up from her chair and walks out of the meeting room. Just
after she passes the township camera, she states to the
audience, “You people are ….”. While it sounds to me like Clare
says “amazing”, there were witnesses that claim she said
“crazy”. Either way, it was demeaning and uncalled for. It does
show what Clare thinks of anyone who questions the Township
What can be extracted from the above exchange?
1. Mr. Murphy got his answer without being directly
answered. The answer is there was no scientific criteria
specified for choosing qualified people to make actual
unbiased and researched decisions about mandatory municipal
2. David Brown admits that the Supervisors already had
people they wanted on the committee. This would be a “stacking
of the deck”, used to create a predetermined outcome of the
committee. I have no doubt you will be forced to pay for a
pre-selected trash service soon.
3. Clare Quinn had no idea who Jim Murphy was nor his
background, yet she reviewed the applicants? There was no
interview process by phone or any other way. The Supervisors
had no idea or nor do they care about his background or any of
the other denied applicants.
4. The entire issue is successfully deflected
when a member of the audience named Kenny Carroll, who changes
the discussion from qualifying criteria to a matter of the
question of a resident being "angry". There is a distinct
difference between "angry" and "frustrated". My reading is
that Mr Murphy was very frustrated with the response.
5. Clare Quinn states what
she thinks of the people that attend Township meetings with
her closing comment. Clare Quinn freely insults anyone that
has a problem with the township, clearly does not like being
questioned, and she obviously thinks that anyone
who has the temerity to question her actions
is unsuitable for the committee. In other words she wants the
committee to be a bunch of yes-men.
This one has a cleaner audio than the township version below but
is otherwise the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaYQO_f18AU
The one at the Township website: http://westvincenttwp.org/images/all-videos/BOS-Video-062512-1.wmv
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